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    utente anonimo at |

    Un altro Asse Roma-Berlino?  

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    Silendo at |

    Corsi e ricorsi storici :))

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    Kerub at |

    beh, la Francia si candida (una volta in più) come perno dei due assi (FB e FT).

    comunque l'asse riconosce i particolari interessi geopolitici dell'Europa e contrasta la special relationship UKUSA.

    La cartina di tornasole la faranno Italia e Polonia. Così capiremmo quanto gli US si sono seccati.

    L'ultima cosa: un'alleanza geo-militare come questa prevede obbligatoriamente un livello strategico/intelligence.

    Anche questo un qualcosa di buono e nuovo per l'Europa, forse.

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    Silendo at |

    "La cartina di tornasole la faranno Italia e Polonia"

    Buonasera Kerub.
    Posso chiederti di chiarirmi questo punto? :)

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    Silendo at |

    Il Foglio di oggi.

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    Silendo at |

    UK–France Summit 2010 Declaration on Defence and Security Co-operation

    1. The UK and France are natural partners in security and defence. As permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, NATO Allies, European Union members, and Nuclear Weapons States, we share many common interests and responsibilities. We are proud of our outstanding and experienced armed forces and our advanced defence industries.

    2. We are determined to act as leaders in security and defence. Security and prosperity are indivisible. That is why, between us, we invest half of the defence budget of European nations and two thirds of the research and technology spending. We are among the most active contributors to operations in Afghanistan and in other crises areas around the world. We are equally among the few nations able and ready to fulfil the most demanding military missions. Today, we have reached a level of mutual confidence unprecedented in our history.

    3. Together we face new challenges such as the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, terrorism, cyber attacks, maritime and space security. We must be ready to prevent, deter, defend against and counter those threats. More than ever, we need defence capabilities that are robust, can be rapidly deployed and are able to operate together and with a range of allies

    4. In addition, a threat to our vital interests could also emerge at any time. We do not see situations arising in which the vital interests of either nation could be threatened without the vital interests of the other also being threatened.

    5. Today, we have decided to intensify our co-operation still further. We want to enable our forces to operate together, to maximise our capabilities and to obtain greater value for money from our investment in defence. We plan to increase the range and ambition of our joint defence equipment programmes, and to foster closer industrial co-operation.

    6. We believe this co-operation will benefit all our Allies and contribute to the security of the Atlantic Alliance, the European Union and our friends overseas.


    7. We have decided:

    a) to sign a Defence & Security Co-operation Treaty to develop co-operation between our Armed Forces, the sharing and pooling of materials and equipment including through mutual interdependence, the building of joint facilities, mutual access to each other’s defence markets, and industrial and technological co-operation;

    b) to collaborate in the technology associated with nuclear stockpile stewardship in support of our respective independent nuclear deterrent capabilities, in full compliance with our international obligations, through unprecedented co-operation at a new joint facility at Valduc in France that will model performance of our nuclear warheads and materials to ensure long-term viability, security and safety – this will be supported by a joint Technology Development Centre at Aldermaston in the UK;

    c) to sign a Letter of Intent, creating a new framework for exchanges between our Armed Forces on operational matters;

    d) to direct the UK-France High Level Working Group to strengthen its work on industrial and armament cooperation; and

    e) to pursue joint initiatives in the areas detailed below

    Operations and training

    8. Combined Joint Expeditionary Force. We will develop a Combined Joint Expeditionary Force suitable for a wide range of scenarios, up to and including high intensity operations. It will involve all three Services: there will be a land component comprised of formations at national brigade level, maritime and air components with their associated Headquarters, and logistics and support functions. It will not involve standing forces but will be available at notice for bilateral, NATO, European Union, United Nations or other operations. We will begin with combined air and land exercises during 2011 and will develop the concept before the next UK-France Summit and progress towards full capability in subsequent years. The Force will stimulate greater interoperability and coherence in military doctrine, training and equipment requirements.

    9. Aircraft carriers. The UK has decided to install catapults and arresting gear to its future operational aircraft carrier. This will create opportunities for UK and French aircraft to operate off carriers from both countries. Building primarily on maritime task group co-operation around the French carrier Charles de Gaulle, the UK and France will aim to have, by the early 2020s, the ability to deploy a UK-French integrated carrier strike group incorporating assets owned by both countries. This will ensure that the Royal Navy and the French Navy will work in the closest co-ordination over the next generation.

    Equipment and capabilities

    10. A400M support. We are developing a common support plan for our future fleets of A400M transport aircraft. This will reduce costs, improve spares availability and open the way for further co-operation in maintenance, logistics and training, for both deployed and home-based operations. We are in the final stages of negotiations with industry to agree a single contract with Airbus Military, which is to be signed by the end of 2011 so that integrated support is in place for the arrival of the first French aircraft in 2013.

    11. A400M training. We will establish a bilateral Joint User Group to facilitate co-operation on the development of A400M training to inform operating techniques and procedures as well as exploring opportunities for synthetic and live training.

    12. Submarine technologies and systems. We plan to develop jointly some of the equipment and technologies for the next generation of nuclear submarines. To that end, we will launch a joint study and agree arrangements in 2011. Co-operation will help to sustain and rationalise our combined industrial base and will also generate savings through the sharing of development activities, procurement methods and technical expertise.

    13. Maritime mine countermeasures. We will align plans for elements of mine countermeasures equipment and systems. This could provide efficiencies, ensure interoperability and help sustain the Franco-British industrial base in the underwater sector. We will therefore establish a common project team in 2011 to agree the specifications for a prototype mine countermeasures system.

    14. Satellite communications. We will assess the potential for co-operation on future military satellite communications, with a view to reducing overall costs while preserving national sovereignty. We aim to complete a joint concept study in 2011 for the next satellites to enter into service between 2018 and 2022.

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    Silendo at |
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    utente anonimo at |


    sicuramente questo documento


    è noto a molti di voi ma in un'altra parte di questo blog ricordo un utente che si chiedeva se l'Italia avesse mai posseduto, o tentato di possedere, la bomba atomica.
    Colgo l'occasione di questo post per  segnalare questo breve documento che chiarisce moltissimo sull'argomento e soprattutto da una fonte primaria.


    NB scelgo il nick su due piedi: COSMIC.

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    utente anonimo at |

    Ho appena letto tutto il documento, veramente interessante… Tuttavia, io continuo ad essere pessimista sul futuro di una politica estera europea di difesa…. Credo che la recente collaborazione anglo-francese sia dettata più da necessità contingenti che non da una volontà di collaborazioni sempre più importanti fino ad una difesa comune in futuro… Così come sono scettico sul futuro della NATO… Il mio sogno sarebbe quello di vedere l'Italia perfettamente indipendente dal punto di vista della difesa, quindi anche come potenza nucleare militare… Chissà se un giorno questo avverrà!

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    Silendo at |

    Buonasera Cosmic e benvenuto :)
    Grazie per la segnalazione.

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    Silendo at |

    Anonimo 9… temo proprio che resterà un sogno :)
    L'Italia non ha proprio la forza per essere autonoma nel senso da te sperato. Ma lo stesso vale per gli altri Paesi europei.

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    utente anonimo at |

    Mi permetto una  battura inoffensiva: dato l'argomento più che COSIMC utilizzerei ATOMAL.. Un caro saluto a tutti

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    utente anonimo at |

    Grazie Silendo per la gentile accoglienza.

    Per anonimo 9. La bomba non basta, è  necessaria (a volte neanche) ma non sufficiente.

    Disporre della Bomba Atomica è forse il problema minore per un Paese Industralizzato e Democratico.

    Il difficile è essere credibile nella determinazione al suo eventuale (e mai auspicabile) uso.

    Conoscete un uomo politico italiano, passato od attuale, che si sia in grado di prendersi la responsabilità di "sciacciare il bottone"?.

    Anche ci fosse, che credibilità Internazionale avrebbe l'Italia su questo argomento?

    Il Paese sarebbe in grado di sostenere questa prova?

    Secondo me no in assoluto e sinceramente preferisco cosi.

    L'Europa è forse in una posizione peggiore dell'Italia (a mio modestissimo parere).

    Saluti. COSMIC.

    NB il nick è gia un'auto presa in giro.


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